Why Arrington is Wrong about Yahoo!-Google Deal (为什么Arrington关于Yahoo!-Google合作的观点是错误的)

Tim O'Reilly Tim O'Reilly 2008/06/14

I was inspired by Fred Wilson's excellent piece on the subject to add my own two cents to Mike Arrington's rant about how Yahoo!'s deal with Google is bad for the industry. I wrote the following in Arrington's comment stream, and will reproduce it here:

Let me weigh in as well on why I don't think Google's dominance in search is going to cause the problems you imagine.

1. Search is only one way to find things. It's the most easily monetizable, so it gets the lion's share of the attention. But take a look at (and report on) what percentage of techcrunch's traffic comes from search. For the O'Reilly Radar blog, it's about 35%. Significant, sure, but hardly a sign of lack of competition. If Google absorbed both Yahoo! and Microsoft, the share of our visits coming from search would still be below 40%. (That tells you what a small share of our search traffic comes from the other guys today.) And that's just the web traffic. Count in RSS (which is much bigger than web for most blogs, including ours) and the Search share of traffic goes down to a much smaller amount. So there's not much worry about people not being able to find information.

2. You specifically raise the specter of Google taking a bigger share of the search dollar absent competition. I'd be interested to know if you have concrete case studies of better deals because of competitive pressure. Seems to me that if Google does this, they will undermine the virtuous circle that drives their success. Maybe they will do this, but if they do, attention and value will migrate elsewhere, as eventually happened with Microsoft.

At O'Reilly, we always say "Create more value than you capture." All successful companies do this. Once they start capturing more value than they create, their market position erodes, and someone displaces them. It may take a while but it happens eventually. If Google takes too much of the pie, it will be a great opening for a new competitor. Right now, because Google is creating the most value for the ecosystem, competitors continue to lose share. If they started taking a lot more of the revenue, Microsoft's share would go up, plus new startups would have an opening that they don't have now.

3. The real source of my argument for this position, which you linked to in your piece, but I'll point to again here, is that Web 2.0, the internet operating system we're building, is much bigger than search. Search is an incredibly powerful subsystem of that OS, but it is just a subsystem. There is lots of competition across the system as a whole, and we're a LONG way from the concentration of power that represents monopoly when we take that into consideration.

4. The landscape is changing so fast. To take only one axis, consider mobile. Google doesn't dominate mobile/local search. That's a whole new game.... Again, there's lots of competition.

翻译:joylite

我从Fred Wilson的excellent piece on the subect一文中得到灵感,并在Mike Arringtons为什么Yahoo!和Google合作对业界是非常坏的激昂的文章中留下了一些观点。下面的内容是在Arringtons blog上的留言,并复制在这里。

让我试图加入这个辩论,我并不认为Google在搜索上的垄断地位会产生你想象中的问题。

1. 搜索引擎只是找到东西的一条途径。这是最容易的手段,因此得到了非常多的关注。但是,看看techcrunch有多少流量来自于搜索引擎。对于O’Reilly Radar blog,大约是35%。非常多,几乎不是一个缺少竞争力的指标。如果Google加上Yahoo!和Microsoft,从搜索引擎来的流量仍然少于40%。(这说明,当前搜索引擎流量只是一个少部分)。这仅仅是Web流量。加上RSS(大多数Blog的访问流量要高于Web,包括我们),搜索引擎所带来的流量会降到更低的一个数值。因此,并不用太担心人们找不到信息。

2. 你特别提及了Google恐怖的根源,在缺少竞争下,占领了巨大份额。我对你是否有足够的因为有竞争压力而有更好的结果的案例分析非常有兴趣。对我来说,如果Google这样做了,他们只会逐渐影响到使他们获得成功的根基。也许他们会这么做,但是如果他们做了,影响力和价值会转到另外一个方面,正如Microsoft已经发生的一样。

在O’Reilly, 我们经常说“创造比你获得的更多价值”。所有成功的公司都这么做。一旦他们开始获得价值多于创造的价值,他们的市场会被逐渐侵蚀,并且有人开始替换他们。这也许会需要一些时间,但是事实上这会不可避免的发生。如果Google获得了更多,这许是为新的竞争者创造了更好的机会。当前,因为Google创造的多数价值贡献给了整个生态系统,竞争者会进一步地失去市场份额。如果他们开始获得更多的利润,Microsoft的市场份额也许会上升,加上新的创业公司也许会创造一个他们没有的机会。

3. 对于这个我争论的这个关键的真正来源,你已经引用过了。但是,我重新抛出来,就是“Web2.0 我们正在构建的互联网操作系统,比搜索引擎更大”。搜索引擎是这个操作系统的中一个难以置信的强大子系统。在整个系统中,有诸多的竞争者。我们离权利的垄断还有很长的距离。

4. 环境的变化是如此之快。从另一条轴上来看,想想移动。Google并没有垄断移动/本地搜索。这是一个新的游戏…… 并且,有相当多的竞争者。

Discussion

Hugh, 2008/06/16

joylite,你是哪里翻译的?用的Google Translate?

Celtis, 2008/06/19

微软的霸权比IBM的霸权要短。Yahoo和Google在搜索领域的统治会更短。我还能记得当年Yahoo得意洋洋的样子。

Faye, 2008/06/20

创造比你获得的更多价值 说的好

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